The PEDIGREE of
Lucia (poss. de SAY)

     Born:  abt. 1229


Poss. U.S. President [WASHINGTON]'s 15-Great Grandmother.       Poss. HRH Charles's 23-Great Grandmother.       Poss. PM Churchill's 21-Great Grandmother.       Poss. Lady Diana's 22-Great Grandmother.       Poss. PM Cameron's 21-Great Grandmother.       Poss. `Osawatomie' Brown's 18-Great Grandmother.       Poss. Jamie's 23-Great Grandmother.

 poss. Husbands/Partners:       Thomas (Sir; of Preston) de ARDERNE   ;   Thomas de ARDERNE (son of William
 Possible Children:       Thomas (Sir; of Preston) d' ARDERNE   ;   Ralph (Sir; of Preston) d' ARDERNE
 Alternative Mothers of Possible Children:       poss. Eustachia (q.v., other Thomas' wife)   ;   Rose (de) VERNON
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/-- Hugh FitzOSBERN   +====> [ 255 ,g,D,&]
/-- Hugh (of Richard's Castle) de SAY  (? - 1190?)
\-- Eustachia (de) SAY   +====> [ 4]
/   | OR: prob. not Eustachia de SAY [alt ped]   +====> [ 255 ,hg,r,&]
/-- Hugh (of Richard's Castle) de SAY  (1168? - 1197?)
/-- Walter FitzRichard (de) CLIFFORD   +====> [ 255 ,gc,t,&]
\-- poss.  Lucy (Lucia; de) CLIFFORD  (1149? - 1195+)
/   \-- Margaret (de) TOENI (TONEY)   +==&=> [ 255 ,GC,tm,&]
/-- poss.  Hugh (FitzHUGH) de SAY  (1197? - ?)
/-- Robert (of Fontney & Tamworth) MARMION   +====> [ 28]
/-- Robert (III; II; of Fontney & Tamworth) MARMION
/  \-- Millicent de RETHEL   +==&=> [ 255 ,gC,tmY,&]
\-- Mabel MARMION
/-- poss.  Gervais (Gervase) (Count) de RETHEL   +==&=> [ 255 ,gC,tmY,&]
\-- prob. not  Elizabeth (de RETHEL ?)  (by 1124? - ?)
| OR: Matilda BEAUCHAMP   +====> [ 255 ,hg,r,&]
/   \-- poss.  Elizabeth de NAMUR   +==&=> [ 255 ,gC,tm,&]
- Lucia (poss. de SAY)
/-- Walter FitzRichard (de) CLIFFORD   +====> [ 255 ,gc,t,&]
/-- Walter (II; Baron) CLIFFORD  (1136? - 1223)
/  \-- Margaret (de) TOENI (TONEY)   +==&=> [ 255 ,GC,tm,&]
/-- Walter (III) de CLIFFORD
/-- Roger de CUNDY (CUNDI)   +====> [ 1]
\-- Agnes de CONDET (de CUNDY; Lady of CAVENBY)
\-- Alice de CHENEY   +====> [ 1]
/   | OR: poss. Basilia de DAMMARTIN   +==&=> [ 255 ,Hg,r,&]
\-- poss.  Lucia de CLIFFORD
/-- Iorwerth `Drwyndwn' ap OWAIN   +==&=> [ 255 ,g,tD,&]
/-- Llewelyn Fawr (Prince) of GWYNEDD
/  \-- Margred verch MADOG of POWYS   +==&=> [ 255 ,g,tD,&]
\-- Margaret of WALES  (1202? - 1263+)
/-- Llywarch `Goch' ap OIORWERTH   +==&=> [ 255 ,,ptD,&]
\-- poss.  Tanglwystl (Goch) verch LLYWARCH
| or: Eve FitzWARINE
| OR: Joan of NORTH WALES   +==&=> [ 255 ,WH,rv,&]
| OR: prob. Joan of NORTH WALES   +==&=> [ 255 ,WH,rv,&]
\-- Tanglwyst verch LLYWARCH   +====> [ 255 ,g,D,&]
 

 
  Her (poss.) 1(+)-Great Grandchildren:       Phillipa d' ARDERNE   ;   Henry (Sir?; of Park Hall) de ARDEN   ;   Catherine de DRAYTON   ;   Ralph (Sir?; of Park Hall) de ARDEN
 

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