The PEDIGREE of
William (IV; of Sele) de SAY

     Born:  by 1253    Died:  1295


Poss. HRE Charles VI's 13-Great Uncle.       U.S. President's 15-Great Grandfather.       HRH Charles's 21-Great Grandfather.       PM Churchill's 19-Great Grandfather.       Lady Diana's 20-Great Grandfather.       `Osawatomie' Brown's 19-Great Half-Uncle.       Poss. my 21-Great Grandfather.
 Wife/Partner:       Elizabeth (Mary)
 Child:       Geoffrey (III) de SAY
 Possible Child:       (Miss) de SAY
 Alternative Father of Possible Child:       William (III; of Sele) de SAY
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/-- William de SAY (SAYE)   +====> [ 219 ,hg,r,&]
/-- Geoffrey de SAY (SAYE)  (? - 1214?)
/  \-- Beatrice (de) MANDEVILLE   +==&=> [ 215 ,hGC,&]
/-- Geoffrey (II) de SAY (SAYE)
| \  /-- Walkeline MAMINOT   +====> [ 1]
| | /   | (skip this generation?)
| \-- Lettice (Alice Aeliz) MAMINOT
|  \  | or: prob. not Alice de CHESNEY, q.v.
/   \-- Juliana (de) VERE   (skip?)   +==&=> [ 217 ,HG,&]
/-- William (III; of Sele) de SAY  (by 1210 - by 1272)
| \   /-- Ralf de CAISNETO   +====> [ 2]
| | /-- John de CAISNETO
| | | \  | or: poss. William de CHENEY
| | /  \-- Emma
/  \-- Alice de CHESNEY (CAISNETO)  (? - 1225??)
- William (IV; of Sele) de SAY
\  
\-- Mary
| or: poss. Sibyl MARSHALL (1st wife), q.v.
 
  His (poss.) Great Grandchildren:       Edward ST. JOHN   ;   Elizabeth (de) ST. JOHN   ;   Joan SAYE (de SAY)   ;   Idonea (Idoine) de SAY   ;   John de NORTHWODE   ;   John (2nd Lord Sudeley; de) SUDLEY
 

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