The PEDIGREE of
John III (Sir; of Broxbourne) de SAY

     (William; of Sawbridgeworth); Speaker of House of Commons

     Born:  abt. 1417    Died:  1478


U.S. President's 11-Great Grandfather.       HRH Charles's 15-Great Grandfather.       PM Churchill's 16-Great Grandfather.       Lady Diana's 13-Great Grandfather.       P.M. Cameron's 16-Great Grandfather.       Poss. Jamie's 16-Great Grandfather.
"People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to their ancestors."

 Wife/Partner:       Elizabeth CHEYNE (CHENEY)
 Children:       Elizabeth SAY   ;   Thomas de SAY   ;   Anne (de) SAY   ;   Martha SAYE   ;   William SAYE   ;   Katherine SAY
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/-- prob. not  John (Sir; de) SAY  (1335? - 1382)
/-- poss.  John (Sir; de) SAY
| OR: poss. William(?) de SAY   +====> [ 255 ,wha,rv,&]
/-- Wm. le BOTELER (of Wemme; BOTILER)   +==&=> [ 255 ,wHG,r,&]
/-- William (of WEMME) BUTLER  (1274 - by 1334)
/  \-- Angharad verch GRIFFITH   +==&=> [ 255 ,WH,r,&]
/-- William (Sir) le BOTILLER  (1296 - 1361)
\-- Beatrice  (? - 1305+)
/   | OR: prob. not Ela (de) HERDEBURGH   +==&=> [ 255 ,WHa,RvX,&]
/-- William (IV; le) BOTILLER  (1331? - 1369)
/-- Richard FitzALAN de ARUNDEL   +==&=> [ 255 ,WHa,Rv,&]
\-- Margaret FitzALAN  (1302? - ?)
/   \-- Alisona de SALUZZA (del VASTO)   +==&=> [ 255 ,WHa,Rv,&]
\-- prob. not  Elizabeth (le) BOTILLER  (1345? - ?)
/-- Bartholomew de SUDELEY   +==&=> [ 255 ,WHa,Rv,&]
/-- John (2nd Lord Sudeley; de) SUDLEY
/  \-- Maud de MONTFORT   +==&=> [ 255 ,WHa,rv,&]
\-- Joan de SUDELEY
| OR: poss. Elizabeth de HOLAND (HOLLAND)   +==&=> [ 255 ,WHa,RvX,&]
/-- Robert (V; 2nd Baron; de) SCALES   +====> [ 8]
\-- Eleanor (de) SCALES  (1308? - 1361)
/   \-- Egeline (Egilina Evelina) de COURTENAY   +==&=> [ 255 ,wHG,Rv,&]
- John III (Sir; of Broxbourne) de SAY
\-- poss.  Maud
 

 
  His (poss.) Grandchildren:       Margery SAMPSON   ;   Anne SAY   ;   Margery WENTWORTH   ;   Richard (Sir) WENTWORTH   ;   Elizabeth WENTWORTH   ;   Philip (Sir) CALTHORPE   ;   Mary SAY   ;   Elizabeth SAYE   ;   John (Sir; of Woodhall) BASSINGBOURNE
 

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