The PEDIGREE of
John (Sir; de) SAY

     William de SAY

Poss. U.S. President [John ADAMS]'s 10-Great Grandfather.       Poss. HRH Charles's 16-Great Grandfather.       Poss. PM Churchill's 16-Great Grandfather.       Poss. Lady Diana's 14-Great Grandfather.       Poss. PM Cameron's 17-Great Grandfather.       Poss. Jamie's 17-Great Grandfather.

 Wife/Partner:       Maud
 Possible Child:       John III (Sir; of Broxbourne) de SAY
 Alternative Father of Possible Child:       poss. William(?) de SAY
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/-- prob. not  John (Sir; de) SAY  (1335? - 1382)
/  
- John (Sir; de) SAY
/-- Maurice (le) BOTELER   +====> [ 5]
/-- Ralph (le) BOTELER (of WEMME)
/-- William (Sir) le BOTELER (of Wemme; BOTILER)
\-- Maud PANTULPH (PANTULF)   +==&=> [ 255 ,wH,rD,&]
/   | OR: Maud PANTULPH [alt ped]   +==&=> [ 255 ,wH,D,&]
/-- William (of WEMME) BUTLER  (1274 - by 1334)
/  \-- Angharad verch GRIFFITH   +==&=> [ 255 ,WH,r,&]
/-- William (Sir) le BOTILLER  (1296 - 1361)
\-- Beatrice  (? - 1305+)
/   | OR: prob. not Ela (de) HERDEBURGH   +==&=> [ 255 ,WHa,Rv,&]
/-- William (IV; le) BOTILLER  (1331? - 1369)
/-- John (III) FitzALAN   +==&=> [ 255 ,WH,Rv,&]
/-- Richard FitzALAN de ARUNDEL  (1266? - 1302?)
/  \-- Isabella (de) MORTIMER   +==&=> [ 255 ,wHaG,Rv,&]
\-- Margaret FitzALAN
/-- Thomas I de SALUZZO (del VASTO)   +==&=> [ 255 ,WHa,Rv,&]
\-- Alisona (Alisia) de SALUZZA (del VASTO)
/-- Giorgio (I) de CEVA (del VASTO)   +==&=> [ 255 ,HaG,Rv,&]
\-- Leugia (Luisa) de CEVA (de CAVE)
/   \-- Elisa (Menzia) de ESTE   +==&=> [ 255 ,gC,t,&]
\-- prob. not  Elizabeth (le) BOTILLER  (1345? - 1411?)
/-- Wm. (of Charlton) de HANDSACRE   +====> [ 6]
/-- William (Sir; of Charlton) de HANDSACRE
/  \-- Alice (? - 1278+)
/-- William (Sir; of Charlton) de HANDSACRE
/  \-- Ala (? - 1293+)
/-- William (Sir; of Charlton) de HANDESACRE
| or: prob. not Joan de SUDELEY, q.v.
/  \-- Alice
\-- Elizabeth de HANDESACRE  (1324? - 1361+)
| or: prob. not Joan de SUDELEY, q.v.
| OR: poss. Elizabeth de HOLAND (HOLLAND)   +==&=> [ 255 ,WHa,Rv,&]
\-- Eleanor (1295? - ?)
 

 
  His (poss.) Grandchildren:       Elizabeth SAY   ;   Thomas de SAY   ;   Anne (de) SAY   ;   Martha SAYE   ;   William SAYE   ;   Katherine SAY
 

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